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		<title>By: Lyndon</title>
		<link>http://steveouting.com/2009/02/15/a-few-more-thoughts-on-voluntary-monthly-content-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-27147</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! I completely agree that charging site content outright is a bad idea. Many great sites give the users a glimpse of their site before the visitor could decide of the rate is wotth it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! I completely agree that charging site content outright is a bad idea. Many great sites give the users a glimpse of their site before the visitor could decide of the rate is wotth it</p>
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		<title>By: David Threshie</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Threshie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kachingle has merrit but here are some ideas for your consideration.

First, use a micropayment system to peak load price the top five stories of the day.  If you want to read the local story of the day, then you&#039;ll have to make a micropayment.  Who wouldn&#039;t pony up to get the latest on fire coverage or the story about the guy who saved someone&#039;s life?  Subscribers to the site would have full access (maybe bundle this with a print subscription?) but the non loyalists to the site would have to pay a little to read the content.

Second, wall off the top three features overall.  So for the Orange County Register for example, require micropayments if you want to read OC Varsity, Frank Micadeit or Jonathan Lansner.  Subscribers to the site would have full access.

Third, wall off periodicals.  Make people pay a little to get a story that ran last week.

Fourth, try to find a way to make the news aggregators pay  for the content they&#039;re making tons of money from..  I could see getting paid on a per click basis when someone doing a Google search clicks on a newspaper&#039;s story.

Bonus idea: have every north american news agency agree to wall off their content from the news aggregators.  The absence of free news would force people to have to pay their local news websites a fee.

I think the idea of partnering with local cable providers has some merit but I like the micropayment idea better.

Every once in a while we&#039;re given the opportunity to do something transformative.  Who says media companies have to keep giving away  content for free?  Now would be the time to draw a line in the sand.

My two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kachingle has merrit but here are some ideas for your consideration.</p>
<p>First, use a micropayment system to peak load price the top five stories of the day.  If you want to read the local story of the day, then you&#8217;ll have to make a micropayment.  Who wouldn&#8217;t pony up to get the latest on fire coverage or the story about the guy who saved someone&#8217;s life?  Subscribers to the site would have full access (maybe bundle this with a print subscription?) but the non loyalists to the site would have to pay a little to read the content.</p>
<p>Second, wall off the top three features overall.  So for the Orange County Register for example, require micropayments if you want to read OC Varsity, Frank Micadeit or Jonathan Lansner.  Subscribers to the site would have full access.</p>
<p>Third, wall off periodicals.  Make people pay a little to get a story that ran last week.</p>
<p>Fourth, try to find a way to make the news aggregators pay  for the content they&#8217;re making tons of money from..  I could see getting paid on a per click basis when someone doing a Google search clicks on a newspaper&#8217;s story.</p>
<p>Bonus idea: have every north american news agency agree to wall off their content from the news aggregators.  The absence of free news would force people to have to pay their local news websites a fee.</p>
<p>I think the idea of partnering with local cable providers has some merit but I like the micropayment idea better.</p>
<p>Every once in a while we&#8217;re given the opportunity to do something transformative.  Who says media companies have to keep giving away  content for free?  Now would be the time to draw a line in the sand.</p>
<p>My two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Kachingle Coordinates Microdonations to Get Content Creators Paid - PSFK.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kachingle Coordinates Microdonations to Get Content Creators Paid - PSFK.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eydie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eydie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have to congratulate any member of the old guard to grasp new media and offer possible solutions to the death of an industry I loved. I still think there has to be a way to make ad-supported quality content work--look at the weekly free news publications like Village Voice/New Times, which are completely ad-supported, both in print and online. (The real death knell to quality writing isn&#039;t ads; it&#039;s the need to have popular keywords litter copy at the expense of prose, heheh.)

When publishers don’t grasp the importance of a branded website–we’ve all seen those city-branded sites where the local paper’s content is a bit of an afterthought–then how can they be expected to leverage digital media into revenue? Let the national/international news sites grab the lion’s share of online readers of free content. City papers need to promote the heck out of the fact that they offer unique information that’s valuable to the denizens of that town. Then, like print subscribers of an earlier age, those readers be willing to pay for this content, whether through a micropayment program or another method.

Since I spent a decade working on newspapers, I still see their value and hope they won’t die. I recently offered some detailed advice on how to save daily publications using digital media as part of a multi-channel strategy:

http://www.mobilestorm.com/digital-marketing-blog/branding-roi-go-hand-in-hand-for-newspapers/

http://www.mobilestorm.com/digital-marketing-blog/sms-email-marketing-can-help-newspapers-survive/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have to congratulate any member of the old guard to grasp new media and offer possible solutions to the death of an industry I loved. I still think there has to be a way to make ad-supported quality content work&#8211;look at the weekly free news publications like Village Voice/New Times, which are completely ad-supported, both in print and online. (The real death knell to quality writing isn&#8217;t ads; it&#8217;s the need to have popular keywords litter copy at the expense of prose, heheh.)</p>
<p>When publishers don’t grasp the importance of a branded website–we’ve all seen those city-branded sites where the local paper’s content is a bit of an afterthought–then how can they be expected to leverage digital media into revenue? Let the national/international news sites grab the lion’s share of online readers of free content. City papers need to promote the heck out of the fact that they offer unique information that’s valuable to the denizens of that town. Then, like print subscribers of an earlier age, those readers be willing to pay for this content, whether through a micropayment program or another method.</p>
<p>Since I spent a decade working on newspapers, I still see their value and hope they won’t die. I recently offered some detailed advice on how to save daily publications using digital media as part of a multi-channel strategy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mobilestorm.com/digital-marketing-blog/branding-roi-go-hand-in-hand-for-newspapers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mobilestorm.com/digital-marketing-blog/branding-roi-go-hand-in-hand-for-newspapers/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mobilestorm.com/digital-marketing-blog/sms-email-marketing-can-help-newspapers-survive/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mobilestorm.com/digital-marketing-blog/sms-email-marketing-can-help-newspapers-survive/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Do journalists have enough time for trust? &#171; Network(ed)News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do journalists have enough time for trust? &#171; Network(ed)News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] deepening and an extension of Mitch Ratcliffe&#8217;s idea: I’ve thought about that idea too, but I can’t [get] past the problem of the journalists you (reader/user) want to interact with will mostly be too busy to participate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] deepening and an extension of Mitch Ratcliffe&#8217;s idea: I’ve thought about that idea too, but I can’t [get] past the problem of the journalists you (reader/user) want to interact with will mostly be too busy to participate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Young</title>
		<link>http://steveouting.com/2009/02/15/a-few-more-thoughts-on-voluntary-monthly-content-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-17548</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Steve, thanks for giving my proposition a read!

At one level, you&#039;re obviously correct: no one wants more work, and to the extent that my proposal involves interaction between the journalist and the user, there&#039;s more work. Fine. No one&#039;s arguing that it wouldn&#039;t be different, unfamiliar, tough, etc.

But at another level, the journalist would be paid, potentially a big chunk of his income, by offering special access to some users. Is it really the case that journalists think of themselves as so busy that they can&#039;t imagine a (very) different way of doing business?

I mean, the actually good argument you might offer is this: &quot;Look, journalists only have so many hours in the day. Users will pay them for some things that don&#039;t require additional work, but users will also expect some of their time directly. That means a journalist either loses sleep or has to cut back on reporting. Lost sleep isn&#039;t an option. And although cutting back on reporting might seem plausible, it&#039;s really not, because it would dilute the other side of reporters&#039; value proposition to their users so much that their users wouldn&#039;t really want to pay enough anymore. The market&#039;s just not there.&quot;

Of course, I happen not to think that argument has much purchase. Arguing about how busy with reporting journalists are *now* fails to locate my proposition in the relevant context, which could look more or less radically different from now.

The amount of reporting per journalist might decrease, but that&#039;s not a reason in itself that the aggregate amount of reporting would decrease. There could simply be more reporters! So if the average reporter had to reallocate twenty percent of her time to reader interaction, a twenty-five percent increase in reporters would fill the gap.

Of course, the whole proposition is that there&#039;s a real human value proposition, trust between creator and user, that charity simply lacks. So while it&#039;s certainly true that my proposition would be a big flop in the market if it turned out that users were only willing to pay creators for interaction that amounted to BFFs, which would prevent creators from creating, it&#039;s not at all clear that users wouldn&#039;t tolerate somewhat less reporting in order for access to and some connection with creators, especially in light of the fact that trust is sorely lacking between journalists and readers today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Steve, thanks for giving my proposition a read!</p>
<p>At one level, you&#8217;re obviously correct: no one wants more work, and to the extent that my proposal involves interaction between the journalist and the user, there&#8217;s more work. Fine. No one&#8217;s arguing that it wouldn&#8217;t be different, unfamiliar, tough, etc.</p>
<p>But at another level, the journalist would be paid, potentially a big chunk of his income, by offering special access to some users. Is it really the case that journalists think of themselves as so busy that they can&#8217;t imagine a (very) different way of doing business?</p>
<p>I mean, the actually good argument you might offer is this: &#8220;Look, journalists only have so many hours in the day. Users will pay them for some things that don&#8217;t require additional work, but users will also expect some of their time directly. That means a journalist either loses sleep or has to cut back on reporting. Lost sleep isn&#8217;t an option. And although cutting back on reporting might seem plausible, it&#8217;s really not, because it would dilute the other side of reporters&#8217; value proposition to their users so much that their users wouldn&#8217;t really want to pay enough anymore. The market&#8217;s just not there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, I happen not to think that argument has much purchase. Arguing about how busy with reporting journalists are *now* fails to locate my proposition in the relevant context, which could look more or less radically different from now.</p>
<p>The amount of reporting per journalist might decrease, but that&#8217;s not a reason in itself that the aggregate amount of reporting would decrease. There could simply be more reporters! So if the average reporter had to reallocate twenty percent of her time to reader interaction, a twenty-five percent increase in reporters would fill the gap.</p>
<p>Of course, the whole proposition is that there&#8217;s a real human value proposition, trust between creator and user, that charity simply lacks. So while it&#8217;s certainly true that my proposition would be a big flop in the market if it turned out that users were only willing to pay creators for interaction that amounted to BFFs, which would prevent creators from creating, it&#8217;s not at all clear that users wouldn&#8217;t tolerate somewhat less reporting in order for access to and some connection with creators, especially in light of the fact that trust is sorely lacking between journalists and readers today.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Batchelor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Batchelor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to the above and comments on my comments made at the E&amp;P blog and Alan Mutter,...

Steve&#039;s first point should be studied carefully: Kachingle is not THE answer. But, it might help provide some $$. 

My fear is that it would damage the newspaper&#039;s local brand and undercut what they might charge for ads and subscriptions. I wish it were not true, but the reality is that many perceive value by price. 

I am looking for, and trying to develop, ways for newspapers to add value and thus enhance their local brand. 

Kachingle deployed carefully, however, on some products, in some markets, might even enhance a brand, making a blog or marketplace &quot;of and for the people,&quot; for example. How a publisher packages it will make all of the difference.

But, again--and thank you Steve for saying it--newspapers need to seriously consider lots of different, little things. The goal is to build the most powerful network locally for news, marketing and information. That will enhance their brand and their bottom line, both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to the above and comments on my comments made at the E&amp;P blog and Alan Mutter,&#8230;</p>
<p>Steve&#8217;s first point should be studied carefully: Kachingle is not THE answer. But, it might help provide some $$. </p>
<p>My fear is that it would damage the newspaper&#8217;s local brand and undercut what they might charge for ads and subscriptions. I wish it were not true, but the reality is that many perceive value by price. </p>
<p>I am looking for, and trying to develop, ways for newspapers to add value and thus enhance their local brand. </p>
<p>Kachingle deployed carefully, however, on some products, in some markets, might even enhance a brand, making a blog or marketplace &#8220;of and for the people,&#8221; for example. How a publisher packages it will make all of the difference.</p>
<p>But, again&#8211;and thank you Steve for saying it&#8211;newspapers need to seriously consider lots of different, little things. The goal is to build the most powerful network locally for news, marketing and information. That will enhance their brand and their bottom line, both.</p>
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		<title>By: Teach_J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teach_J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop trying to sell content.  Sell the device.  What we really need is a portable device that is part Kindle, part iPhone, part laptop, part game device, part internet device - portable, always on, easy to carry and not too expensive.  I envision a device about the size of a netbook screen.  It would be touch or stylus sensitive.  Expandable with a small keyboard.  And you would be able to sell very inexpensive subs ($20/year for all the print pubs available) to content on it via a store like the iTunes store.  You could also buy movies, music, games, and more.  Price it under $300 and you would be making tons of profits to support the journalism.  Let someone else develop it and you are at their mercy again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop trying to sell content.  Sell the device.  What we really need is a portable device that is part Kindle, part iPhone, part laptop, part game device, part internet device &#8211; portable, always on, easy to carry and not too expensive.  I envision a device about the size of a netbook screen.  It would be touch or stylus sensitive.  Expandable with a small keyboard.  And you would be able to sell very inexpensive subs ($20/year for all the print pubs available) to content on it via a store like the iTunes store.  You could also buy movies, music, games, and more.  Price it under $300 and you would be making tons of profits to support the journalism.  Let someone else develop it and you are at their mercy again.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Outing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Outing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh: I&#039;ve thought about that idea too, but I can&#039;t past the problem of the journalists you (reader/user) want to interact with will mostly be too busy to participate. Some do interact, but it&#039;s more because they want to and feel some passion for engaging directly with their fans and followers and readers. Many journalists I know resist the idea because they&#039;re &quot;already too busy.&quot; (Bad attitude, IMO, but not easy to change.)

Y&#039;know who this model would work great for? Professional athletes with not-too-massive celebrity. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger would be too overwhelmed, but one of his offensive lineman might make some money with your idea. Or a pro climber with passionate fans, because the niche is small enough that it would be workable.

Spinning off that, a news organization could be the athlete&#039;s home base for this paid-interaction scheme -- but more likely it would work for the athlete&#039;s personal blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh: I&#8217;ve thought about that idea too, but I can&#8217;t past the problem of the journalists you (reader/user) want to interact with will mostly be too busy to participate. Some do interact, but it&#8217;s more because they want to and feel some passion for engaging directly with their fans and followers and readers. Many journalists I know resist the idea because they&#8217;re &#8220;already too busy.&#8221; (Bad attitude, IMO, but not easy to change.)</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know who this model would work great for? Professional athletes with not-too-massive celebrity. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger would be too overwhelmed, but one of his offensive lineman might make some money with your idea. Or a pro climber with passionate fans, because the niche is small enough that it would be workable.</p>
<p>Spinning off that, a news organization could be the athlete&#8217;s home base for this paid-interaction scheme &#8212; but more likely it would work for the athlete&#8217;s personal blog.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont care about newspapers struggling,hey,everyones struggling,im not paying for the published lies perpetuated by a biast machine,you want to make money,write a book called 
whining about things changes nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont care about newspapers struggling,hey,everyones struggling,im not paying for the published lies perpetuated by a biast machine,you want to make money,write a book called<br />
whining about things changes nothing.</p>
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