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		<title>By: Media Fire</title>
		<link>http://steveouting.com/2009/11/09/newsdays-pay-wall-from-bad-to-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-49959</link>
		<dc:creator>Media Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, anonymous John really opened the discussions with a roar.  Ripping of real journalists?  You mean the 99.9% of online newspaper sites who offer their article for free or the 80% of journalists who edit an AP ticker as new work?

Oh, btw, Newsday.com&#039;s somewhat popular website has dropped 1000 places in rank in the first month alone behind the pay wall.  Awesome strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, anonymous John really opened the discussions with a roar.  Ripping of real journalists?  You mean the 99.9% of online newspaper sites who offer their article for free or the 80% of journalists who edit an AP ticker as new work?</p>
<p>Oh, btw, Newsday.com&#8217;s somewhat popular website has dropped 1000 places in rank in the first month alone behind the pay wall.  Awesome strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I got FIOS, I was amazed by the TV image quality and everything else was an upgrade to Cablevision.  Now, Verizon is no philantropist.  They charge nearly equal to what I paid for the triple service package with the movie channels I want. However, what I get in the standard package in HD blows Cablevision away.  CV (thru MSG) broadcasts the NY Islander games in HD but doesnt make it available to FIOS users.  Whatever, petty James Dolan stuff.  About the same time the wall went up on newsday.com, he started to charge a $1.00 for the daily paper at the newstand. I used to enjoy the Friday, Sat, and Sunday Newsdays even with its new design they intro&#039;d last year which is a disaster. But, out of principle, I moved over to the NY Post.  Better gossip pages and celeb pics anyway. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I got FIOS, I was amazed by the TV image quality and everything else was an upgrade to Cablevision.  Now, Verizon is no philantropist.  They charge nearly equal to what I paid for the triple service package with the movie channels I want. However, what I get in the standard package in HD blows Cablevision away.  CV (thru MSG) broadcasts the NY Islander games in HD but doesnt make it available to FIOS users.  Whatever, petty James Dolan stuff.  About the same time the wall went up on newsday.com, he started to charge a $1.00 for the daily paper at the newstand. I used to enjoy the Friday, Sat, and Sunday Newsdays even with its new design they intro&#8217;d last year which is a disaster. But, out of principle, I moved over to the NY Post.  Better gossip pages and celeb pics anyway. <img src='http://steveouting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Greenbaum</title>
		<link>http://steveouting.com/2009/11/09/newsdays-pay-wall-from-bad-to-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-45969</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt Greenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that Newsday&#039;s choice to tease something that&#039;s not unique to New York or Long Island -- a Droid review and video -- would further dissuade me from paying. AP did a &quot;Droid in action&quot; video that was probably available free on umpteen other sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that Newsday&#8217;s choice to tease something that&#8217;s not unique to New York or Long Island &#8212; a Droid review and video &#8212; would further dissuade me from paying. AP did a &#8220;Droid in action&#8221; video that was probably available free on umpteen other sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Dear media: I have some money for you</title>
		<link>http://steveouting.com/2009/11/09/newsdays-pay-wall-from-bad-to-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-45961</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear media: I have some money for you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not alone. Steve Outing has a new post, Newsday’s pay wall: From bad to worse, about his frustration over not being able to get at some interesting content in Newsday. After [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not alone. Steve Outing has a new post, Newsday’s pay wall: From bad to worse, about his frustration over not being able to get at some interesting content in Newsday. After [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Outing</title>
		<link>http://steveouting.com/2009/11/09/newsdays-pay-wall-from-bad-to-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-45959</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Outing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg wrote: &quot;Newsday would pay more to process those charges than they would be paid by you.&quot; That&#039;s outdated. Multiple companies have figured out how to avoid the exorbitant processing fees; several solutions are in alpha or beta now, geared toward serving publishers of low-price content. A couple:
http://bitcents.com/
http://aurumis.com/products/
Many more to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg wrote: &#8220;Newsday would pay more to process those charges than they would be paid by you.&#8221; That&#8217;s outdated. Multiple companies have figured out how to avoid the exorbitant processing fees; several solutions are in alpha or beta now, geared toward serving publishers of low-price content. A couple:<br />
<a href="http://bitcents.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bitcents.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://aurumis.com/products/" rel="nofollow">http://aurumis.com/products/</a><br />
Many more to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Outing</title>
		<link>http://steveouting.com/2009/11/09/newsdays-pay-wall-from-bad-to-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-45958</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Outing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: I recently heard an account about the TimesSelect decision from an executive there at the time with responsibility to make the call. TimesSelect subscription grew fairly quickly to the point you cite, then abruptly flattened. NYT execs could not foresee further significant growth and determined that they&#039;d make more by unwalling the premium content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: I recently heard an account about the TimesSelect decision from an executive there at the time with responsibility to make the call. TimesSelect subscription grew fairly quickly to the point you cite, then abruptly flattened. NYT execs could not foresee further significant growth and determined that they&#8217;d make more by unwalling the premium content.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Outing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Outing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can always tell when something I&#039;ve written has turned up on &lt;a href=&quot;http://poynter.org/romenesko&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Romenesko&lt;/a&gt;; I get comments like some of those above. (... Sure enough, there&#039;s the mention from Jim R.)

&lt;em&gt;1. &quot;Guess you’ll have to go find some other parasite news source that rips off the work of real journalists.&quot; ... 2. &quot;Maybe you should have subscribed. Newsday is pretty good paper.&quot; ... 3. &quot;How is this anything other than &#039;I want something, but I don’t want to pay much for it, and that frustrates me, so I’m angry at the person who wants to charge me for it.&#039;?&quot; ... 4. &quot;Maybe you’re looking at this move from the wrong perspective: It’s not about generating revenue on the web, it’s about protecting its core revenue source, the newspaper.&quot; ... 5, &quot;The reality is that Newsday isn’t leaving any money behind, because nobody who advertises on Newsday cares about reaching you out in Colorado.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

OK, #1: I said that given that Newsday.com has erected a paywall, it&#039;s dumb to exclude out-of-market people who might be willing to pay for a single piece of content that someone else directs them to. Technology is available to accomplish that. Newsday&#039;s is a strategy to focus exclusively on its local market. Hey, fine, if that&#039;s what it wants to do, go for it. I&#039;m saying it will fail because it&#039;s a strategy about protecting the past rather than figuring out how to do well in the future by leveraging the Internet instead of fighting it.

#2: It&#039;s unrealistic for a regional paper like Newsday to expect very many people in Colorado, or California, or Alaska or anywhere else, to pony up $5 a week. Sorry, it&#039;s not the New York Times; and even if the Times decides to go this route (I doubt Bill Keller and his executive team are that dumb), they&#039;re unlikely to get the online subscription numbers to match revenue from other strategies. TimesSelect demonstrated that, and pissed off the star columnists behind the TimesSelect wall because they lost a huge chunk of their audience, and thus their influence. A Newsday columnist already quit over this exact issue.

#3: Given the availability for publishers who choose Newsday.com&#039;s route to charge in many different ways, my complaint is about offering up only one option that is likely to be acceptable only to people within its local market. If Newsday had put a one-off price of 50 cents on viewing the story, maybe I&#039;d pay; if it asked $2.95, I&#039;d have gone elsewhere. The market will decide what price point works (if any). I could easily find similar content to the article I cited elsewhere, so I&#039;m not &quot;angry&quot;; I merely pointed out the lack of wisdom of limiting the options and leaving money behind.

#4: As Bill Burger aptly suggested, the strategy in fact devalues Newsday. It&#039;s no longer part of the national conversation; its influence by way of this new strategy will sink to that of a community weekly (albeit a large community). Newsday.com is an added-value item for its cable subscribers and print-edition subscribers. The website itself is worth little beyond that, as it now is irrelevant outside its geographic area. It&#039;s a business strategy to shore up a dying business (printing newspapers), which will fade over time anyway, and give a boost to its cable operation over its competitors. If Newsday&#039;s owners are only in it for short-term gains and don&#039;t care about long-term viability and long-term quality journalism for Long Island, then it&#039;s a fine business strategy, I guess. Expect to see an exodus of journalistic talent from Newsday; what motivation do they have to work for a news brand that is so devalued and without influence beyond its local area? Keep the paychecks coming in during hard times? Oh, that&#039;s a great recipe for inspired journalism.

#5: The point about leaving money behind is for payments for content by some outside the local area. With solutions available to add a one-off payment option, it&#039;s silly to leave out that option. As for out-of-market advertising, then Newsday has cut off another revenue stream: national advertising fed to visitors from outside NY. That may not be big, but every revenue stream counts in the current environment.

One last point: I mentioned a piece of non-unique content that I couldn&#039;t get to without subscribing (which, again, is not practical for me based on my location); many others covered the new Google Droid phone, so plenty of other (free) options. But what if the content I wanted was an investigative package produced by Newsday reporters that had significance outside NY? Would Newsday.com still demand a subscription for people in Colorado and elsewhere to see an important public-interest investigation that, from a public-service point of view, as many people as possible should know about? I&#039;m disturbed by the public-service mission that newspapers typically have; perhaps Newsday&#039;s owners don&#039;t really care about that. But you&#039;d think the least they could do on an investigative piece is offer a one-off price and not demand a subscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can always tell when something I&#8217;ve written has turned up on <a href="http://poynter.org/romenesko" rel="nofollow">Romenesko</a>; I get comments like some of those above. (&#8230; Sure enough, there&#8217;s the mention from Jim R.)</p>
<p><em>1. &#8220;Guess you’ll have to go find some other parasite news source that rips off the work of real journalists.&#8221; &#8230; 2. &#8220;Maybe you should have subscribed. Newsday is pretty good paper.&#8221; &#8230; 3. &#8220;How is this anything other than &#8216;I want something, but I don’t want to pay much for it, and that frustrates me, so I’m angry at the person who wants to charge me for it.&#8217;?&#8221; &#8230; 4. &#8220;Maybe you’re looking at this move from the wrong perspective: It’s not about generating revenue on the web, it’s about protecting its core revenue source, the newspaper.&#8221; &#8230; 5, &#8220;The reality is that Newsday isn’t leaving any money behind, because nobody who advertises on Newsday cares about reaching you out in Colorado.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>OK, #1: I said that given that Newsday.com has erected a paywall, it&#8217;s dumb to exclude out-of-market people who might be willing to pay for a single piece of content that someone else directs them to. Technology is available to accomplish that. Newsday&#8217;s is a strategy to focus exclusively on its local market. Hey, fine, if that&#8217;s what it wants to do, go for it. I&#8217;m saying it will fail because it&#8217;s a strategy about protecting the past rather than figuring out how to do well in the future by leveraging the Internet instead of fighting it.</p>
<p>#2: It&#8217;s unrealistic for a regional paper like Newsday to expect very many people in Colorado, or California, or Alaska or anywhere else, to pony up $5 a week. Sorry, it&#8217;s not the New York Times; and even if the Times decides to go this route (I doubt Bill Keller and his executive team are that dumb), they&#8217;re unlikely to get the online subscription numbers to match revenue from other strategies. TimesSelect demonstrated that, and pissed off the star columnists behind the TimesSelect wall because they lost a huge chunk of their audience, and thus their influence. A Newsday columnist already quit over this exact issue.</p>
<p>#3: Given the availability for publishers who choose Newsday.com&#8217;s route to charge in many different ways, my complaint is about offering up only one option that is likely to be acceptable only to people within its local market. If Newsday had put a one-off price of 50 cents on viewing the story, maybe I&#8217;d pay; if it asked $2.95, I&#8217;d have gone elsewhere. The market will decide what price point works (if any). I could easily find similar content to the article I cited elsewhere, so I&#8217;m not &#8220;angry&#8221;; I merely pointed out the lack of wisdom of limiting the options and leaving money behind.</p>
<p>#4: As Bill Burger aptly suggested, the strategy in fact devalues Newsday. It&#8217;s no longer part of the national conversation; its influence by way of this new strategy will sink to that of a community weekly (albeit a large community). Newsday.com is an added-value item for its cable subscribers and print-edition subscribers. The website itself is worth little beyond that, as it now is irrelevant outside its geographic area. It&#8217;s a business strategy to shore up a dying business (printing newspapers), which will fade over time anyway, and give a boost to its cable operation over its competitors. If Newsday&#8217;s owners are only in it for short-term gains and don&#8217;t care about long-term viability and long-term quality journalism for Long Island, then it&#8217;s a fine business strategy, I guess. Expect to see an exodus of journalistic talent from Newsday; what motivation do they have to work for a news brand that is so devalued and without influence beyond its local area? Keep the paychecks coming in during hard times? Oh, that&#8217;s a great recipe for inspired journalism.</p>
<p>#5: The point about leaving money behind is for payments for content by some outside the local area. With solutions available to add a one-off payment option, it&#8217;s silly to leave out that option. As for out-of-market advertising, then Newsday has cut off another revenue stream: national advertising fed to visitors from outside NY. That may not be big, but every revenue stream counts in the current environment.</p>
<p>One last point: I mentioned a piece of non-unique content that I couldn&#8217;t get to without subscribing (which, again, is not practical for me based on my location); many others covered the new Google Droid phone, so plenty of other (free) options. But what if the content I wanted was an investigative package produced by Newsday reporters that had significance outside NY? Would Newsday.com still demand a subscription for people in Colorado and elsewhere to see an important public-interest investigation that, from a public-service point of view, as many people as possible should know about? I&#8217;m disturbed by the public-service mission that newspapers typically have; perhaps Newsday&#8217;s owners don&#8217;t really care about that. But you&#8217;d think the least they could do on an investigative piece is offer a one-off price and not demand a subscription.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, you too clever by half doofus,
227,000 people paid 50 bucks a year for ny times columnists - and that was about five years ago when a lot fewer people were online, and it was only for columnists.
If that&#039;s failure, I&#039;ll take that kind of failure all day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you too clever by half doofus,<br />
227,000 people paid 50 bucks a year for ny times columnists &#8211; and that was about five years ago when a lot fewer people were online, and it was only for columnists.<br />
If that&#8217;s failure, I&#8217;ll take that kind of failure all day</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is that Newsday isn&#039;t leaving any money behind, because nobody who advertises on Newsday cares about reaching you out in Colorado.

Newsday&#039;s move to a pay wall is is all about Cablevision&#039;s competition with Verizon on Long Island for subscribers who spend $2000 a year on cable, internet, and phone.  

And because 75% of Long Islanders are already Cablevision or Newsday subscribers, Newsday can put up the pay wall without losing the audience that subscribers want to reach.  And there&#039;s no way to make any money by selling things on the net from 25 or 50 cents; Newsday would pay more to process those charges than they would be paid by you.

It&#039;s actually a very reasonable financial plan for them - but only them.  But I don&#039;t think there&#039;s another newspaper in this country which could use this model, because Newsday&#039;s circumstances are unique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is that Newsday isn&#8217;t leaving any money behind, because nobody who advertises on Newsday cares about reaching you out in Colorado.</p>
<p>Newsday&#8217;s move to a pay wall is is all about Cablevision&#8217;s competition with Verizon on Long Island for subscribers who spend $2000 a year on cable, internet, and phone.  </p>
<p>And because 75% of Long Islanders are already Cablevision or Newsday subscribers, Newsday can put up the pay wall without losing the audience that subscribers want to reach.  And there&#8217;s no way to make any money by selling things on the net from 25 or 50 cents; Newsday would pay more to process those charges than they would be paid by you.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually a very reasonable financial plan for them &#8211; but only them.  But I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s another newspaper in this country which could use this model, because Newsday&#8217;s circumstances are unique.</p>
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		<title>By: inkstained</title>
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		<dc:creator>inkstained</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he makes a good point. There are pay models out there that will work. Setup a deal with paypal to collect micropayments, include a link to join paypal. Sure, it won&#039;t work with everyone, but I bet Steve has a paypal account and Newsday would have made $.25.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he makes a good point. There are pay models out there that will work. Setup a deal with paypal to collect micropayments, include a link to join paypal. Sure, it won&#8217;t work with everyone, but I bet Steve has a paypal account and Newsday would have made $.25.</p>
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